Q&A - please read in Site Updates

  • July 13, 2013, 4:01 a.m.
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Perhaps this will turn in to the start of my FAQ section!

A new member asks:

I am a little concerned that you are doing this without charge, and that we may be repeating the experience of the other place - someone starting it and growing it and then needing to make a living and moving on, leaving it somewhat abandoned. How can this be avoided this time?

That's certainly a legitimate question and concern. To be perfectly honest, I would be quite surprised if Prosebox was still at the top of my priority list in 10 years, assuming that the site thrives and continues to grow during that time. I completely respect that other guy's choice to move on to new things. Nobody should be tied down to a website if they no longer want to be.

That being said...

When it comes to Prosebox, I'm either all in or all out. That's my promise. Especially if Prosebox moves to a subscription-based model. I'm not going to continue collecting subscriptions and then just set the site adrift. If there's a thriving community and I decide to call it quits (which I reserve the right to do), I will either sell or hand down the site to another interested party. There's no logical reason to abandon a community and not let someone with passion take over to keep the site healthy. If the site turns into a money pit and nobody is interested in taking over the helm, I will be honest with the community about it. I will give fair warning that the site's days are numbered and make sure you have the option to permanently archive your content.

Of course, I'm more optimistic than that. First of all, the web has come a LONG way in 15 years. The advantage I have is that I'm developing Prosebox with modern technology. I'm using open source technology so there's not monstrous licensing costs. I'm using hosts like Amazon and Heroku who are very well established and highly reliable. Their pricing models are quite decent and the architecture is highly scalable, if the site should take off through the roof and end up with thousands (nay, tens, nay hundreds of thousands!) of users. I develop software for a living, so it's not like I'm just a hobbyist. I think I'm reasonably good at it. Of course, if it does grow, I see no reason to keep this as a one man show. Imagine the site continuing to grow and thrive, and new developers (and designers!) with fresh ideas coming into the fold. I'm not overly possessive. Hell, if you want to see my source code, I can tell you where to go look on Github. Let's see... did the other guy ever make an offer like that? ;)

Now, as to profitability....

I'm currently using Google Ads to generate a little revenue while I'm geting started. I've earned approximately enough to buy three lattes at Starbucks so far. Go me!! And no, don't go running off clicking every ad you see to show your support. Google can easily detect fraud and wouldn't be happy about it. It would be robbing someone else to put a few extra cents in my pocket.

I don't think the advertising model works very well unless you're a household name like Facebook, and you have advertisers knocking down your door trying to get their content on the site.

I'm thinking of turning Prosebox into a subscription based model in an effort to alleviate costs and keep the site healthy (and slightly profitable). I wouldn't do so until I feel like I have a completed and polished product. So here's a question for all of you!

How would you feel about a subscription-based version of Prosebox, somewhere around two bucks a month? This would be all the features you have now, as well as Friends only privacy levels. And other cool and innovative stuff on my list. If I'm going to charge money for it, I want it to be a really excellent experience for the users.


Lobbastah July 13, 2013

If you build it, they will come.

I would be willing to throw money your way when things are shiny and smell like Lemon Pledge. Is there a pioneer discount? ;-)

Jack July 13, 2013

If this turns out to be a kick-ass site (which I have a feeling it will be) with lots of features and a true "community", I'd pay way more than $2 per month. I would have paid more at another site, had I felt they really cared and wanted to use my money to improve the site.

Jack July 13, 2013

BTW, I like the Google ads idea because they are not pop-ups and don't interfere with my blogging experience. They are big enough to see, but sedate enough to not be annoying.

simple mind Jack ⋅ July 13, 2013

Yeah, I hate pop-ups. Anything that degrades usability of the site is a big NO as far as I'm concerned. Thanks for the feedback! I'm looking forward to building a loyal community through a kick-ass site! :)

Deleted user July 13, 2013

I'd definitely pay for a reliable site. PB is already miles ahead of anther diary site.

Decayed Elvis July 13, 2013

Two bucks a month is reasonable. We paid that over at the other place quite happily. Before it began sputtering. My experience, here, is progressively improving from the already pretty good, so yeah - I'd be happy to pay that.

Decayed Elvis Decayed Elvis ⋅ July 13, 2013

I'd be happier to, once I start working, again. Cross your fingers; by the time you're out of beta, I should be bringing home a paycheck!

FitLadyDi July 13, 2013

YES!! I would pay for a subscription!

Cat Mommy July 13, 2013

$2 a month? Heck yes I would! As long as you offer the option for either an automatic recurring monthly payment or the option to buy 6-12 month subscriptions as it would be a PITA to remember to give $2 a month to the site (not for lack of interest, just a terrible memory). Thank you so much for being transparent and honest with us. :)

simple mind Cat Mommy ⋅ July 13, 2013

Oh definitely. I love auto-pay. :)

Sapphire's Gaze July 13, 2013

I would pay for the reliability and also for the community aspect. Already, this site appears to be shaping up to be a great place. :)

Deleted user July 13, 2013

Control over who sees what is a must, as is better navigation on the front page, the ability to delete notes and the ability to customize the appearance of 'books' with stylesheets ala tumblr. Hopefully you'll have the option to minimize or eliminate the navigation bar so it's less intrusive for paid subscriptions. If you do these things I'll happily subscribe. I like what I see so far.

simple mind Deleted user ⋅ July 13, 2013

Do you mean the top black nav bar? I think it's pinned in place on desktop layouts but could be changed to scroll off the page.

Deleted user simple mind ⋅ July 13, 2013

Yes, though it's dark blue on my screen, and takes up maybe 3/4 of an inch. It would be great if you subscribed to have no bar for readers who aren't logged in at all, if you want that option. It would also be cool to have personalized URLs like livejournal and tumblr do; for example, amygdala.prosebox.net, if only for paid subscriptions.

edna million July 13, 2013

I'd definitely pay if it goes in that direction. I really like the features of this site so far. Two dollars a month sounds very fair. I've been paying for That Other Place for years, and although I don't really have huge complaints there (I've had surprisingly few problems despite the lack of upkeep) I am extremely glad to see a new place with many of my friends showing up and the feeling of shiny new exciting worlds to explore.

cricket_factor July 14, 2013

I would pay.

haredawg drools July 14, 2013

Ah, so you're the guy in charge. As far as refugee camps go you've built a pretty nice one. Three latte's at starbucks? Cool. Latte's don't confuse them. When you start rolling in the big bucks though don't try ordering a breve, they don't know what to make of that.

Um, I mean thank you.

simple mind haredawg drools ⋅ July 14, 2013

You're welcome! And I'm not much of a writer, but the flash Friday thing you're starting looks very interesting. It will be cool to see what community-based stuff emerges here.

KateD July 19, 2013

Yes, I'd pay.

delete please August 03, 2013

If you start charging would there still be a free use option?

simple mind delete please ⋅ August 03, 2013

Yeah, I don't want to turn anyone away. On the other hand, there would be cool features excluded from the free version to reward those who do pay. Pretty standard.

fat, dumb & happy August 10, 2013

I'd pay fo sho.

aceytray August 15, 2013

I already paid for OD, so yeah.

Deleted user August 16, 2013

I would have no problem paying for a subscription. I paid the other guy! LOL

Beret August 25, 2013

I just recently migrated. I'd be willing to pay a subscription.

midnight radio February 02, 2014

I'd be more than happy to dole out a few shillings a month.

~jo

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